Sarah Fejfar (00:35.214)
Today I brought in the Green Room Central Studios, Evan Carmichael. I'm excited about this because ever since I started following him a few years ago, he's been an example to me of being both a successful as an entrepreneur and also being down to earth and relatable, which I really value. He's on a mission to solve the world's biggest problem, people not believing in themselves and others.
And I saw him post recently about being on a mission to find content from the greats that's hidden in basements and now not out on YouTube for the world to see and benefit from. And it really struck a chord with me because my life changed when I met personal development. And I think there's a teacher for everyone that speaks the way they hear and teaches the way they learn. And wouldn't it be a shame if
content that could be changing lives is in some dusty box in some attic and not out there for the world to see. So I wanted to come on and have Evan share about his mission to get connected with people who know people who might have access to those video assets. Now we ended up not having time to talk about it during our interviews. So I thought I'd...
explain it here for you before we dive into the conversation with Evan. So as an example, imagine someone, an example of what he's looking for. Imagine someone you look up to and watch on YouTube. Let's take Mel Robbins, for example. Imagine it's a hundred years from now and let's imagine she never put any of her videos with those epic inspirational messages out on YouTube so that they could live indefinitely.
Well, Evan is on a mission to find that content and the silver lining is he plans to split the YouTube ad revenue with those who are able to find the assets. So I wanted to make sure you knew in case your grandmother's best friend was so -and -so because then you can connect them with Evan. Now, before we dive into the episode, first,
Sarah Fejfar (02:56.014)
I was super sick and hopped up on cough medicine and cough drops when I recorded this with him last week. But I figured if he could do a tour a few years back with a broken neck, I can certainly show up sick to an interview and make the best of it. So now for a little backstory on Evan. Evan Carmichael believes in entrepreneurs. Gary Vaynerchuk called him the DJ who inspires.
people and Ed Milet called him the modern day Napoleon Hill. At 19 he built and then sold a biotech software company. At 22 he was a venture capitalist raising $500 ,000 to $15 million. He now runs a YouTube channel for entrepreneurs with over 3 million subscribers and 500 million views. He's written four books and he speaks globally.
He wants to solve the world's biggest problem. People don't believe in themselves enough. Forbes named him one of the world's top 40 social marketing talents and Inc. named him one of the 100 great leadership speakers and 25 social media keynote speakers that you need to know. And for a little fun, he set two world records. He used the trampoline in a standup desk. He owns Canada's largest
Salsa Dance Studio where he met his wife and has a giant bag of Doritos, get this, in front of him all day long to remind him that he is stronger than the Doritos. Toronto is his home. He's a husband, father, League of Legends fan, and Teemo Main.
Sarah Fejfar (00:01.094)
Welcome to Green Room Central Studios. Say hello to Linchpin Nation.
Evan Carmichael (00:05.154)
Thank you for having me. It's great to be here. I'm excited to dive in.
Sarah Fejfar (00:08.89)
I am too. So I thought we'd start by having a little fun and ask you to share a story. So the whole premise for this show is that the belief that being in the room is everything. And as a little backstory for you, a little over six years ago, I stepped into my first four day personal development seminar. It happened to be Brendan Burchards and it changed my life. Within 11 months of being in that room, I left my 16 year corporate career. I started my own business. We sold our house.
We moved from the Midwest to the Pacific Northwest. We paid off all the debt we'd been under for like a decade and a half. It was a massive shift. And so to start us off today, I'm wondering if you would share a story of a room that you made it into that changed your life.
Evan Carmichael (00:55.354)
Wow, so many. Um, the first was honestly in high school, uh, with
my teacher mentor in my last year, her name was Madame Far. And my school did this thing where they partnered you with a, in your graduating year, with a teacher who became your mentor for the year. And most people didn't do anything with it, but I met Madame Far every week. And I mean, she obviously taught French, but I don't use French. It's not really that helpful in my day-to-day life, but she met me every week just to see how I was doing. And...
Sarah Fejfar (01:25.765)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (01:32.082)
Up until that year, I was a B and C student, and I graduated A plus across the board. Um, not only because of her, obviously I did a lot of work and I had my parents and everything else, but she was really influential for me. Um, and I didn't even know that was a room that I needed to be in. Uh, I was just kind of offered it and I said, yes. Um, I just been, been many personal development rooms I've been in as well, but that was probably, you know, the first one apart from.
Sarah Fejfar (01:38.8)
Mm.
Sarah Fejfar (01:51.833)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (02:01.842)
being born into a family with my parents and that was the room that I was kind of born into. But yeah, man, I'm far out of big impact on my life.
Sarah Fejfar (02:07.382)
Yeah. That's special. Also kind of kicks off that whole belief concept for you, I believe.
Evan Carmichael (02:16.222)
Yeah, I mean, my belief initially came from my parents. My mom would always say, you're Evan Castrilli Carmichael, you can do anything you believe that you can. And I remember always having to have the talk.
Sarah Fejfar (02:23.483)
Hmm.
Evan Carmichael (02:28.982)
Uh, when our report cards came in at school, my sisters were all getting their A's. Uh, and I was, I have an older sister, my younger sister, I was like, I was the boy in the middle getting my B's and C's. So not failing, not, not a terrible student, but not applying myself and not getting what I could be getting. And, uh, they would always leave a conversation telling me that not that I need to do better and I should be doing better, but that
Sarah Fejfar (02:43.643)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (02:53.386)
You're open to stealing Carmichael, you can do anything you believe that you can. And so I think if they told it to me enough that at 43, it's still in my head. So that was that's probably where it began.
Sarah Fejfar (02:59.027)
It's stuck.
Sarah Fejfar (03:04.878)
So I know you speak at events and 83. So we're both 80s babies. Is that right?
Evan Carmichael (03:10.674)
I was 1980. Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (03:12.002)
Yeah, me too. So I know you speak at events and you go to events and you host your own events like your mastermind, your tour and the meetups you do when you travel. Is there something special about building your own stage that makes you especially grateful to have made that happen?
Evan Carmichael (03:33.718)
Wow, what a question. There's something special about being with your own tribe. I think most of us are weird.
Sarah Fejfar (03:44.32)
How so?
Evan Carmichael (03:45.698)
Like you're pretty weird, Sarah. You know, you're doing a podcast. It's pretty weird. We tend to think that, oh, it's normal to have a podcast and it's normal to be an entrepreneur and it's not, but it's not, it's weird.
Sarah Fejfar (03:49.084)
See ya!
Sarah Fejfar (03:56.866)
No, no. Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (03:57.566)
Most people don't do this. Yeah, if you look at your graduating class from high school or whatever, what are most people doing? They're in some job probably and hating their life. And so just like when you found yourself at Brendan's event and it changed your life, it's obviously, I mean, Brendan sharing his great information, but also just being with your tribe, being with people who are also doing amazing things or wanna do amazing things. Like if you wanna do amazing things in your life, who do you tell that to?
Sarah Fejfar (04:03.607)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (04:11.395)
Mm-hmm.
Evan Carmichael (04:25.466)
Like probably nobody, like maybe your spouse and hopefully they're supportive. Uh, but a lot of us don't have anybody. And so when you can, whether you create your own group, uh, or find the group that's actually your people, it's so amazing. It's great. Uh,
Sarah Fejfar (04:41.05)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (04:45.374)
And so I've been fortunate to be in a bunch of rooms and also I like being able to bring people together, uh, in our program. So it's, it's not so much about me, although I hopefully have something to share when I'm leading things, but also. Like I want you to meet, I want Sarah to meet John and like they're going to, and people start businesses together and stay in touch together. Like you talk about the mastermind. Um,
Sarah Fejfar (04:57.536)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (05:01.135)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (05:07.858)
I do this four time a year mastermind group for thought leaders. You have to be a thought leader creating content. Um, and for the women in the group.
All share the same house. So like they get an Airbnb and they're all from different countries. Uh, Norway, Canada, United States, and another United States in a different state. And every, every time they're booking, they share an Airbnb and the four of them take over this house. It's like they created amazing friendship. It's not even just about a business relationship, but they do shows together and, and help each other out. But like they formed friendships where.
Sarah Fejfar (05:22.115)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (05:46.506)
It's really hard to make friends as an adult. You know, like how do you make new friends? We don't really a lot, you know? Once you're out of school, how do you make new friends? And so I love being able to bring people together and you know, we have a message and some education we'll share, but the best part for me is learning how they've connected with each other as opposed to just learning what I had to teach.
Sarah Fejfar (06:11.306)
When you debrief with Nina after a mastermind event, for example, is that what you guys are talking about? That's still putting a smile on your face? Did you see that happen in the room?
Evan Carmichael (06:24.478)
Yeah. I mean, Nina's my wife, I guess, for people who are watching. Um, and also very involved in the operations of, I like to say everybody needs a Nina cause this business would not be what it is without Nina doing almost everything. Uh, so very fortunate to have her. Uh, but yeah, I mean, in looking at, uh, after every event, we've been doing this for so many years in different formats. Why I keep doing it is because of the vibe.
Sarah Fejfar (06:27.76)
Mm-hmm.
Evan Carmichael (06:53.034)
that it creates because as much as I'm giving out and pouring in, I'm receiving. Uh, and so anytime there's some special stories like that, it just gives you the juice to want to keep going. I mean, I'm sure if Brendan heard your story, be like, yeah, that's why, that's why I do what I do. So they're like, thank you for sharing that. That's the kind of stuff like Brendan is great. And, but he doesn't need to hear himself talk.
Sarah Fejfar (07:09.905)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (07:18.506)
He doesn't get on stage just to hear himself talk. He gets on stage to impact and help. And so you, you know, he's seen enough of it, I guess, now with people sharing and same thing for my audience, but it's in hearing your story that gives him the motivation to just keep going and doing it and keep serving because you know it's working.
Sarah Fejfar (07:22.574)
Yeah, change lives.
Sarah Fejfar (07:39.941)
Yeah.
I finished your latest book, Momentum, last night. It's outstanding, by the way. Every entrepreneur should read it. What stopped me in my tracks was the 2% rule and getting started without a plan. And I think this is going to be a game changer for me because I crave momentum. I just get so excited by it. It drives me. It fuels me. But where I get stuck is the starting point.
Evan Carmichael (07:46.046)
Okay. Cool.
Sarah Fejfar (08:10.214)
and that's the hardest part is getting started. And so do you have any advice on jumping in without a plan for someone who like you loves to plan?
Evan Carmichael (08:22.89)
Yeah, well, I'm a recovering perfectionist. So planning is really just fear. We're fear of failing. We're fear it's not gonna work out. So we have to have it all perfect before we do anything. And perfectionism seems like it's a good thing, but it's like, it's not. It prevents you from doing amazing things, prevents me from doing amazing things. A couple of things that have helped. The first is...
Sarah Fejfar (08:27.93)
Me too. Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (08:46.946)
I will tell myself, trust that great ideas flow through me. Like great ideas flow through me. And hopefully it doesn't sound like too egotistical, but it's like one thing I'll tell myself is like, this thing came to me, so I have to do something about it. As opposed to waiting on it or researching or whatever else. It's like, because it came to me, therefore it's good and I have to do something about it. And that just takes the brain out of the equation because your brain will stop you. So.
Sarah Fejfar (08:57.742)
Yes.
Sarah Fejfar (09:08.911)
Mm.
Sarah Fejfar (09:12.622)
Mmm.
Evan Carmichael (09:16.081)
Um, even today.
Sarah Fejfar (09:16.878)
almost this belief that there's a higher power and it's working through me and it's my job to act on that and like make it happen.
Evan Carmichael (09:24.434)
Yeah, you can, you can, you can go spiritual with it as well. It's like, don't, don't quench the spirit. It was given to you. Why are you stopping it? You're stopping it. Trust that it was given you for a reason. So today on, uh, I was, I was doing a walk and I came with this idea. I, I have two major, big name people who were about the book on, on my channel, uh, to do an interview with, uh, bless you and.
Sarah Fejfar (09:32.016)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (09:45.914)
Okay.
Evan Carmichael (09:48.93)
We went back and forth and my schedule, I'm traveling, their schedule is crazy. Like we're trying to make it all work. And we finally made it work. Right. It's like, yes, good. But on my walk and like, no, you don't know what I'm going to do. Instead of me just doing an interview with them. I need, I want to have them.
present inside of Movement Makers, is my community. Let's have them join Movement Makers, and I'll interview them in front of everybody for the first half hour, and then we'll do an hour Q&A of them coming on stage and asking questions and having them coach my community. And then we'll take that video and put it up on YouTube. And that came to me, right? It's like, oh my, the first time is in, that I can't, you know how long it's taken to organize the schedules, and my assistant is like,
Sarah Fejfar (10:05.54)
Mm. Yep.
Sarah Fejfar (10:29.449)
Hahaha
Evan Carmichael (10:33.462)
God bless our soul is doing all this work and make it happen. Now I'm going to change it all up again, but I'm not thinking about that. Like, ready to flow through me. So I'm just going to do that. And I've never had that backfire on me. And so I just trust that that's going to work out.
Sarah Fejfar (10:41.57)
Yeah, yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (10:48.205)
Mm.
Evan Carmichael (10:50.898)
And so after this, that's what I need to do is now talk to these two guys. And I told my assistant, I'll, I'll handle it. Like I'll, I'll tell them that it was my crazy idea and that we should do this so that you don't have to go back to them again and like figure out the timing. Um, but those kinds of things, I want to start a podcast. I want to have this guest on. When you get the idea, just go do something about it instead of overthinking it. Um, the next thing there is, uh, expect to suck.
Sarah Fejfar (11:01.619)
hahahaha
Sarah Fejfar (11:12.514)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (11:17.854)
Mm-hmm. Yep, you do.
Evan Carmichael (11:18.954)
And I talk about that in the book, just expect to suck. People expect to be not great, but you expect to be good. You know, like if you're starting a podcast, you don't expect to be Joe Rogan or whoever you look up to. You know, you don't expect to be Gabby Bernstein or whatever. Like you expect not to be A plus, but you don't expect to suck. You think I'm gonna be like a B, a B minus, you know, like I'll be okay, I can ask questions. I know I kind of know what good looks like.
Sarah Fejfar (11:30.575)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (11:38.839)
Right?
Evan Carmichael (11:45.354)
And then you go and you start thinking about your first one or maybe even do your first one and, and it sucks. Like, oh my God, I didn't even know what to say. I pressed record on the camera and I froze. I suck. And we turned that as I suck at a skill to I suck as a person. And so just expect to suck at the beginning, whatever it is that you're doing the first time, you're not going to be great at, you're going to get on a bicycle and fall over.
Sarah Fejfar (11:55.055)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (12:01.199)
Yes.
Evan Carmichael (12:09.494)
You know, snowboarding, you're going to fall down. Why do you think your first podcast is going to be amazing or your first page of your book or whatever, right? So that I'll tell myself to like the permission to suck at the beginning, which then allows me to take the first step and just keep going.
Sarah Fejfar (12:13.67)
Right?
Sarah Fejfar (12:24.35)
Mm, so good, thank you. Right before, by the way, it made me think of something, your assistant is fabulous, by the way, and that's, I think, a testament, not only to her, but to your leadership. I booked a lot of guests for this show, and she is by far the best that I've worked with. And so, I sent her an email as well, because I just was so grateful for her.
Evan Carmichael (12:43.166)
All right, well, we'll clip this and send it to her. Thank you.
Sarah Fejfar (12:50.966)
Right before Momentum, I read Built to Serve, and the journaling prompts are solid gold. Everyone should do them. I'm typically one of those people who kind of blows through books and doesn't do the exercises, but something told me I gotta do this, and I uncovered my purpose in life, which, I mean, that's just crazy that happened. But it's amazing, and ironically, it's care, just like your wife, Nina.
Evan Carmichael (13:17.546)
Let's go, that's awesome.
Sarah Fejfar (13:19.342)
which ties into my love language, which is helping people just like yours. And in the book, you share that your purpose is hashtag believe. And I've got something that I've been struggling with that I think you can help me with because it's about belief. And since belief is your thing, I would be vulnerable and ask you about it. So I believe in my ability to figure things out for my clients implicitly, like massively confident. I have...
plenty of proof of success of my 20 plus years now of producing events. And if you said right now, Sarah, I want to throw a big multi-day conference for my movement makers and here's what I'm thinking. Can you help me? I'd be like, a hundred percent consider it done. But I know that there's a disconnect when it comes to truly in my core believing without a shadow of a doubt that
the dreams that I have for my business and the life that I want to build for my family will come true and that I will be able to make them come true. And that manifests itself in every interaction where I am like proactively doing lead generation or asking for a sale. My voice shakes. I lack confidence. I shut down. I say nothing. And I don't know how to fix it yet. It's the believing in myself part.
Evan Carmichael (14:40.626)
So, I mean, welcome to being human. It's like that's every human. So don't like I wouldn't this is not only a Sarah issue. That's still my biggest problem too. If there's no doubt you're seeing like beyond the shadow of it. If there's no doubt, then it's too small.
Sarah Fejfar (14:43.669)
haha
Sarah Fejfar (14:50.479)
No.
Sarah Fejfar (14:54.3)
Mmm.
Sarah Fejfar (15:00.539)
Mm.
Evan Carmichael (15:02.338)
I mean, if you knew 100% that you could do it, you're not dreaming big enough. There's lots of things that you can do with no doubt. You could tie your shoelace with no doubt, but who cares? I mean, that used to be a big thing when you were, how, I don't know, what age, five years old? When do you learn to tie a shoelace? You're like, I don't know if I can do this. I can't do this. I don't know how to do it. And then all of a sudden you did it. And now it's nothing, it's easy. And that will always be there just for bigger things.
Sarah Fejfar (15:05.743)
Mm.
Sarah Fejfar (15:10.8)
Yeah.
We're dead. Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (15:28.475)
Mm.
Evan Carmichael (15:29.694)
You know, like you look at when, when did you say you went to Brendan's thing? Was it five years ago?
Sarah Fejfar (15:34.234)
Mmm, I think my first time was 2017.
Evan Carmichael (15:38.142)
Okay, so seven years ago, you go back to Sarah 10 years ago, compared to Sarah now, like it's not possible.
Sarah Fejfar (15:43.327)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (15:48.879)
I would say that, yeah. Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (15:50.778)
What are you doing? Like that's crazy. There's no way you're doing all this stuff. You're you have a podcast. What? You can't do that So you're already an impossibility to yourself, let alone other people You have created an impossible life To yourself to younger you Right, like if you from 10 years ago looked at you right now is like that's not possible Like here's your future. No, that's not gonna happen. That's not me. I can't do that
Sarah Fejfar (15:55.931)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Fejfar (16:07.831)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (16:18.999)
Right. And it's actually happened. So like, so the same thing, like going, going forward, you're going to continue to create more impossibilities for yourself. And the fact that there is doubt means that you're on the right path. It doesn't mean that you succumb to it. Uh, especially consistently, everybody's going to have bad days, bad moments. But the fact that there is doubt means you're on the right path and you're thinking big and creating a new impossibility for yourself.
Sarah Fejfar (16:33.315)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (16:43.234)
Mm. Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (16:46.35)
Um, so that's one, it's like, don't that w it's normal. You're human. Okay. Yeah. Congratulations. This is like, there's nothing wrong with you. Uh, what's wrong is the people who don't do anything about it. Like they go to the event and never change. Like you, you changed, you decided that wasn't just easy. That wasn't just, oh, okay. Yeah. I'll just flip this switch and boom. Like, look at that. That was work and, and doubt and fear. Um,
Sarah Fejfar (16:52.019)
I think it's so easy to be like, it's just me, no one else in the...
Sarah Fejfar (17:03.374)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (17:09.434)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (17:15.978)
So that's one. And the second thing I would say is, well, to continue to create that environment for yourself daily. I love groups and I love events and I have my own and I've been to Brendan and spoken Brendan stage twice, three times, I don't remember. Anyway, Brendan's great. And we have these like highlight moments which can take you up to a new level momentarily, but where do you fall back down?
Sarah Fejfar (17:27.866)
Yep.
Evan Carmichael (17:40.646)
And then it's in those daily habits. I don't wake up. I didn't wake up today. It's like, Oh my God, I'm going to change the world. This is great. I'm so excited. Right. That didn't happen this morning. Woke up. I don't know what day it is. I'm tired. You know, my dog was barking last night and all this stuff, but it's the habits that get me to this point. And so.
why I make the videos that I make is for me. Cause I want Elon Musk in my ear and Maya Angelou in my ear and Gabby Bernstein in my ear. Like I want those people in my ear every day cause they help me believe in myself more than I currently believe in myself. Even if I have a grant, I'm talking to you, this is great, amazing, I'm gonna leave this. I'm gonna talk to those two people that I need to book on my show and tell them the new plan and hopefully it's gonna be okay and not freak out too much.
Sarah Fejfar (18:06.137)
Yes.
Evan Carmichael (18:25.59)
But then tomorrow I wake up and it's like, it's gone. Where did that energy go? I don't know. So you gotta rebuild it again. And so this is why a lot of people end up, a lot of people go to events and then never make a change. They just get really motivated and excited. But what's the point of motivation? What's to give you the courage to go do the thing that is necessary in your life?
Like motivation alone doesn't do anything, just makes you feel good. But it's to give you the courage to then go make some kind of change in your life or your business. And then for any change to stick, you have to have consistency. And you may not be always at that level of jump, you're not going into your office and like high-fiving people and jumping up and down and you know, all the Brendan's amazing tricks and Tony and et cetera, which would be amazing to walk into a room and everybody's cheering you on. But you can get that virtually.
Sarah Fejfar (18:52.36)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (19:07.17)
I'm sorry.
Evan Carmichael (19:14.502)
I like it through YouTube videos. You can get that by reading books. You can get that by listening to podcasts, however you best learn. Don't let it be this random happenstance that, Oh, this, this book happened to fall in my lap or I happened to listen to this podcast schedule it in. So every morning, the first thing I get up and I go outside and I have one of my own videos on not of me talking. I don't need to hear me talking, but, uh, Brendan or Tony or, or Marie or Mel or whoever.
Sarah Fejfar (19:18.915)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (19:42.166)
Yep.
Evan Carmichael (19:44.162)
is helping me get clarity and belief and courage for the day ahead.
Sarah Fejfar (19:50.542)
Yeah, it's like creating that environment for success. I used your music trick this morning. Ha ha ha.
Evan Carmichael (19:57.85)
Yeah, it's great. I mean, I have I put on music. I'll do that from the bathroom, right? So like, I'm in the bathroom and I'll put on music right away. Because I don't want to. I don't want to put on music this morning.
I want to sit there and go back to bed. Or I want to sit there and just, I don't know, scroll through Instagram or whatever. And then 20 minutes goes by, why am I still in the bathroom? No, put on music. And what I love about music, and I have a playlist called the Believe Playlist, and it's public, people can watch it. The song may not resonate with you. There's all sorts of weird songs on there. But they resonate with me. It makes me go to a better spot. And I'll play every song at 1.25 speed because it just feels happier. So that's another hack. If...
Sarah Fejfar (20:12.422)
Right.
Sarah Fejfar (20:30.54)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Fejfar (20:38.798)
That's a hack I haven't heard.
Evan Carmichael (20:41.014)
Um, is it on the book? I think it's in the book. Maybe not. Maybe I forgot to put it in there.
Sarah Fejfar (20:43.638)
I read books fast, but I've never heard of listening to songs fast. That's awesome.
Evan Carmichael (20:47.126)
I just funny, I'm a visual person. So I, if I'm listening only, I would have to have it at normal speed or slow it down because I have to super focus on it. So listening to something at 2X speed doesn't help me, but music. Most songs are pretty good and you can play it. Like most songs are pretty good. But then when you put it at 1.25, it may sound weird for a bit, but it's like, Oh.
Sarah Fejfar (20:50.095)
Me too.
Sarah Fejfar (20:56.614)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (21:10.122)
It's happier. It's more upbeat. Like this is great. And then if you try going back to regular speed, it feels really slow. Like, wow, that's the original version. It's so slow. So anyway, give it a try. Let it play out for like the whole song and then see if you're not dancing and happier. Um, but yeah, like I don't want to do it, but it's one of those easy things that I can just turn it on and then music just automatically now I'm sitting there and I'm just.
Sarah Fejfar (21:23.558)
Challenge accepted.
Evan Carmichael (21:38.494)
You just start moving, right? And then you start feeling better and happy. It's like, I'm going to go and go for a run today, which ended up happening. Um, so yeah, music design, a playlist. We all have these songs that we, we love that if it, if it came on today and, and one of Brendan's favorite things to do is play upbeat music, you know, there was a song that came on, it would force you to
Sarah Fejfar (21:46.778)
Nice job.
Sarah Fejfar (21:51.61)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (22:00.342)
just start bobbing your head or dancing around or stamping your foot, like it would force you to do that. And what most people do is put on music. If they're gonna put on music, they put it on to reinforce how they're currently feeling. So if you're feeling low, what do you do? You put on sad, slow, low music, and that just keeps you in a low vibe and.
Sarah Fejfar (22:13.67)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (22:20.03)
Suddenly the whole day is gone. You're still feeling like crap, right? Where if you put on something happier, it's like, okay, you know, I'm feeling better. Let's go. So getting outside, having music, putting on a video that is somebody that I want to learn from and I respect every morning. It just sets me up to have not a perfect day. Lots of stuff happens that are bad, but, um, just a better start for the morning to hopefully engineer my day, um, with more belief.
Sarah Fejfar (22:26.297)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (22:46.35)
I think hearing stuff like that makes me think it's too easy. It can't work, you know? But I know it's true. I know it's true and that's the crazy part, I think about personal development is how it really is so simple and it's just the consistency of application that is the magic there.
Evan Carmichael (22:55.878)
Yeah, I mean, give it a try.
Evan Carmichael (23:11.35)
That's where, that hack may work for you, or may work for me, but may not work for somebody else. I mean, you give it a try. I'll tell myself that too. Like, I will sit there, I wake up, first thing I do, go into the bathroom and sit there, it's like, I'm like, this music thing is stupid. This doesn't work. It's not, I mean, it may have worked yesterday, whatever, it's dumb. I'm tired, I don't wanna do anything. I don't wanna put on this stupid music. It's not gonna work. Okay, whatever, just put it on.
And then 30 seconds later, right? It's crazy how our brain just plays tricks on us. And so whenever you can find something quick like that, so that playlist, I've created in advance, so I'm not stumbling like what, what playlist should I listen to because you're probably going to let yourself down, right? Um, the videos that I watch when I go for my walk, I am, I've already set them up in advance, so I just have to click play.
Sarah Fejfar (23:42.618)
Yeah.
Sarah Fejfar (23:58.102)
Exactly.
Yes.
Sarah Fejfar (24:06.979)
Yes.
Evan Carmichael (24:09.106)
Even just clicking play is a lot of work. Right, it's like that first step. It seems too easy, so I don't wanna do it. But if you have to go search for 10 minutes to find something, you're gonna give up in that 10 minutes. So designing it to be a little bit easier. Even if your brain tells you it's not gonna work, you're just teaching yourself that you're the kind of person who does it. So it's like.
Sarah Fejfar (24:14.491)
Yes.
Sarah Fejfar (24:30.108)
Mmm, so good. Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (24:30.942)
I'm brushing my teeth. I wake up and I also brush my teeth, right? I'm the kind of person who brushes my teeth in the morning. And the more you do it, the easier it is for it just to be automatic. Like you get in your car, you put your seatbelt on. I hope, right? I mean, it's, it's automatic. You're not thinking about, you don't have to remind yourself, I hope, um, to put your seatbelt on when you get in the car. That's what the morning routine ultimately needs to become like, okay, yeah, I get up. I play music, I go for a walk and I put on a video. That's like automatic.
Sarah Fejfar (24:43.94)
Yes.
Sarah Fejfar (24:59.962)
Thank you. I will do it. Probably have time for about one more question and I wanna know, we're both parents and I think a lot about raising my daughter and doing a good job. And I think through the lens of entrepreneurship, it's really made me think more specifically about lessons that I wanna impart on her and...
For me, it's like how to drive sales outside of the traditional nine to five job. And then two, how to grow that wealth. And then three, self-awareness and self-compassion. And I wonder what lessons are you working on to impart on your son?
Evan Carmichael (25:41.01)
Um, I think the greatest thing my parents gave me was just love. And they supported me in what I was doing, even though they had no idea what I was doing.
Sarah Fejfar (25:44.952)
Mm.
Sarah Fejfar (25:49.56)
Mm-hmm.
Evan Carmichael (25:50.41)
So I was into baseball cards and all sorts of weird things, you know, growing up. And every weekend, my mom would take me to, uh, three hours outside of my city to this place called the orange tent that sold those, all these baseball card people came together and. And traded baseball cards. I was like 12 years old and 13 years old. And I'm negotiating with 40 and 50 year olds over five cents and 10 cents, you know. But for me it was everything. Oh my God, I made $5 this weekend. It was amazing. Even though she'd lost that on gas for
Sarah Fejfar (26:07.712)
Oh cool.
Sarah Fejfar (26:13.749)
Ugh.
Sarah Fejfar (26:17.103)
Yeah.
Right.
Evan Carmichael (26:22.324)
And when people ask me, you know, is your son going to be an entrepreneur? I was like, I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't care. It's like all I'm trying to teach. I don't even know that I'm, I'm trying to teach. Honestly, I'm just trying to show love. And I think if, if you show love, they will learn. Like whatever he wants to learn. He can learn. I learned all this stuff by myself with no internet. I mean, he's got internet.
Sarah Fejfar (26:34.22)
Mmm.
Sarah Fejfar (26:44.39)
Yeah.
Evan Carmichael (26:49.79)
Um, but I think if you just, at least for me, I'm not, I don't give parents any advice or not meant to be prescriptive, but, uh, my philosophy, I guess, of just, if I show up and I give them love every day, he's going to be all right.
Sarah Fejfar (27:03.224)
Mm hmm. Yeah. So good. Evan, thank you for joining us today on the show. I appreciate it. Where can Linchpin Nation find you?
Evan Carmichael (27:16.146)
Uh, Evan Carmichael, where you want the books, Amazon's easiest spot. Otherwise I'm probably on whatever social platform you're using. What episode number is this for you?
Sarah Fejfar (27:25.047)
This is gonna be 115. It's gonna come out on yeah
Evan Carmichael (27:28.25)
115, wow, all right. Well, when you get to 250, let's do round two.
Sarah Fejfar (27:34.526)
Thank you. I will reach back out at 2.50.
Evan Carmichael (27:39.222)
Looking forward to it. Thank you for the great questions and your vibe and, um, all the research and the work that went into it. And for everybody watching, listening, give Sarah some love. It's a lot of work to put a show and get over a hundred episodes out. So this episode meant anything to you. Tell her in the comments and let her know.
